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Gewehr
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Spain
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Posted - Feb 09 2009 :  19:40:31  Show Profile  Visit Gewehr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello,Iīm from Spain and the other day I put a topic like this in a different place of the forum(but I didnīt have any reply)because I need your help about the concrete identification of a Darneīs model.
Iīm quite sure that is an "V" model but i donīt know wich exactly...
Here you have some pictures of the arm:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/Darne2.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/darne3.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/Darne4.jpg
I hope you can help me.Thanks and greetings from Spain.

Tim Carney
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USA
102 Posts

Posted - Feb 09 2009 :  23:34:02  Show Profile  Visit Tim Carney's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Need some photos of the barrel flats. That's done by taking the barrels off and using the camera macro setting (often found on the lens as a flower). Use some lamps rather than the flash. If it's a V-grade you should find a button underneath in front of the action that, pressed will let you take the barrels off.

You can tell the grade of the gun by counting the round stamped marks on the front of the barrel flats. Add the number to 10 and that gives you the grade of the gun.

Still would like to see some pictures as it's odd to see a stag engraved on what is likely to be a shotgun considering the British-style straight stock. Rifles would surely have a pistol grip.

Regards
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Tim Carney
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USA
102 Posts

Posted - Feb 09 2009 :  23:43:51  Show Profile  Visit Tim Carney's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ah, checked your post on the other forum and learned it is a 12 gauge with 70mm chambers. Good to photograph the flats to confirm that.

It certianly looks like a V-grade gun and, IF the barrels are good and the gun shoots, the 1600 euro price is good, too. But, I would strongly suggest you have the seller let you take it to a QUALIFIED double gunsmith to check it out. Not sure anyone is Spain can examine a Darne, 'tho...

Still you'd at least want to go out with the seller and have him fire some shots if he lives near to you.

Regards
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Gewehr
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Spain
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Posted - Feb 10 2009 :  11:41:51  Show Profile  Visit Gewehr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ey!Thanks for your reply Tim.Here you have more pics and one of the barrels marks.I need to know the date of manufacturing of the arm too.
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_FINAS_032_1024x6831.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/darne.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_FINAS_019_1024x6831.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_FINAS_035_1024x6831.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_FINAS_033_1024x6831.jpg
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Tim Carney
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USA
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Posted - Feb 10 2009 :  11:56:45  Show Profile  Visit Tim Carney's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Looks like a V-21 what with 11 punch marks. Triple proofed at St. Etienne. Twelve gauge (18.2). How are the barrels? And does it shoot? If so, buy it.

Regards
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Gewehr
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Spain
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Posted - Feb 11 2009 :  18:13:05  Show Profile  Visit Gewehr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well...First of all,say that,of course,it shoots.About the barrels...externally are ok,and inside the seller say that the chrome is perfect(I donīt see it yet...).
This will be my first Darne and although I have more than 20 weapons(Shotguns,rifles,carbines,etc...)I have to admit that this type of shotguns are a bit unknown for me and this page(this forum) is helping me a lot.

By the way...How much will be this gun cost in the USA?? Here in Spain is very difficult to find any Darne(or Charlins) but since I see it(and the price)I have to confess that I be in love....
Darnes are beautiful and very originals and rare fine guns and I hope to do a good purchase with this one.
When Iīll buy it(probably next week)Iīll take more and better photos of the gun to share with all of you.
Thanks for all and,again,sorry for my english.
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Geoffroy
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USA
750 Posts

Posted - Feb 15 2009 :  09:24:39  Show Profile  Visit Geoffroy's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Could you tell us the serial number or for privacy put xx on the two last digits ?
thank you

Darnation

Edited by - Geoffroy on Feb 16 2009 13:45:43
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Gewehr
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Spain
9 Posts

Posted - Feb 15 2009 :  17:28:38  Show Profile  Visit Gewehr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Geoffroy and thanks for reply.
So what do you mean?That this Darne isnīt an original Regis Darne and is a Francis Darne model?!
Itīs very important for me to be sure that Iīm going to buy an original one...
I canīt put the serial number until tomorrow because I havenīt got more pictures where this numbers appears so Iīll ask to the seller about this and then Iīll put it here.
Oh!And If you can try to say me the date of manufacturing please(approximately al least).Thanks and say me if you need anything or anymore pictures to help with the identification.
See you tomorrow.
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Geoffroy
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USA
750 Posts

Posted - Feb 16 2009 :  13:47:32  Show Profile  Visit Geoffroy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry, I retracted my wrong comment. It is a Darne as well stamped on it. Not doubt.
Serial numbers are not very reliable for dating but it helps.

Darnation
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Gewehr
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Spain
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Posted - Feb 16 2009 :  21:12:38  Show Profile  Visit Gewehr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi friends!
New pictures of the Darne V21:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_DE_COLECCION_026_1050x700.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_DE_COLECCION_028_1050x700.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_DE_COLECCION_031_1050x700.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_DE_COLECCION_032_1050x700.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww100/alexynora/PARALELAS_DE_COLECCION_033_1050x700.jpg

And about dating...what is the most reliable method to know the age of this shotgun?I havenīt got any problem with spanish and other european fine guns identification (about dates concerning),however all of this with Darnes is diferent....For example,spanish guns have a character or a character with a number(like A,B,...A1,B1,etc)for have knowledge about concrete year of manufacturing.
Greetings and Iīm waiting for more datums and opinions about this shotgun.
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Tim Carney
Member

USA
102 Posts

Posted - Feb 18 2009 :  12:14:25  Show Profile  Visit Tim Carney's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just reviewed the thread and looked again at the flats. Please note that the flats say this gun has 65mm chambers NOT 70mm chambers.

Regards
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Gewehr
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Spain
9 Posts

Posted - Feb 20 2009 :  10:28:03  Show Profile  Visit Gewehr's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sorry!Itīs a 12-65 bore,I was thinking in other gun...
Well...any idea about the manufacturing year?(yes,I know..Iīm very nuisance with this topic,sorry).
Regards.
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Geoffroy
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USA
750 Posts

Posted - Feb 21 2009 :  18:57:02  Show Profile  Visit Geoffroy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Very probably late 20's.

Darnation
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